Mon 24 Nov 2008
Taking Another Look at Poetic Knowledge
Posted under Education is a Life , Morning Time , The Liberal ArtsYou all know what I should be doing. The college boys are home and our first round of company arrives tonight. We should have 25 around the Thanksgiving tables. When one family of 11 invites another family of 11, it isn’t hard to reach 25. I have spent the weekend wondering how awful it would be for the little kids to eat off of plastic plates but you will be happy to know I rejected that idea. I have plenty to do today which is why I am sitting at the computer thinking about poetic knowledge.
Over the last few months I have been evaluating my stance on the subject. A couple years ago at the Circe conference, I was happy to find out that what I had majored in with my older children was actually a form of classical education. Poetic knowledge was IN. I felt so lighthearted after that conference. How often does a homeschooling mom get to feel like she is doing something right? Don’t we usually go to bed at night rehearsing what we should have accomplished rather than what we did accomplish?
This Fall James and Nathaniel went to college with pretty big academic scholarships based on their SAT scores. But the truth is that I knew that while they weren’t afraid of writing, their grammar skills were weak. How would poetic knowledge hold up at college, albeit not the most difficult college? At first things looked bleak. Their English professor was a stickler for grammar. That is what they needed but they also had to keep high GPAs. I started feeling horrible. I had let them down. I have to admit that it sometimes seems like their grades and their test scores are mine. I have been known to say, “What did we get on the paper?” This is warped and I am afraid it is the unique struggle of the overachieving mom. I don’t have a therapist; I have a blog.
Surprisingly, both boys rose to the occasion, paid attention in class and learned from their mistakes. Now they are getting high marks on their papers which I attribute to their use of metaphor and allusion along with their newly found grammar skills.
It takes a lifetime to pick up poetic knowledge, it takes a semester to pick up grammar. Things are easier in my life now than when my older boys were small. I can do grammar and continue with our heavy emphasis on Bible, literature, history and poetry but if I had to err, I have concluded that I would err on the poetic side.
Poetic knowledge feeds the soul. It makes you a better writer. It gives you hooks on which to place everything else you learn in life; without those hooks we lose much of what we learn. Poetic knowledge paves the path of wisdom. It helps you relate to other people. It helps you to understand that there are consequences. It makes you look smart.
Our society has replaced poetic knowledge with pop culture. True poetic knowledge is an antidote to pop culture. It even allows you to participate in some forms of pop culture with some level of immunity.
The Bible says that the knowledge of the God is the beginning of wisdom. If you are teaching your children to read and love the Bible and memorize it, you have a head start on poetic knowledge.
This brings me back to my new homeschooling priorities:
Reading & MT (poetic knowledge), Latin, Math & Grammar (skills) but the greatest of these is poetic knowledge.
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This is so in tune with my study of the librettist for Messiah. While never sung and rarely read, I learned of the Preface to the Oratorio this past weekend.
The greatness of Jennen’s text (to the preface) was his *poetic knowledge*, if I can borrow your phrase.
Jennens had command of Virgil’s Pollio, Scripture, and Handel’s mindset.
I mean, really… have you ever read Pollio? and of this Sybilline prophecy?
And yes, I’m supposed to be doing something else right now
Comment by Dana (November 24, 2008 @ 10:57 am )
I had to laugh at “I don’t have a therapist; I have a blog”.
I often get obsessive about one project or another and neglect other duties. As a result, my dear husband has coined a phrase…”It’s cheaper than therapy”.
Comment by Kim Barnes (November 24, 2008 @ 11:11 am )
Dear Cindy,
You and I sound alike in asking what grade we received on a test! Ha! I love you thoughts on grammar and poetic knowledge. That is why we take the children to opera, symphony, Shakespeare festivals and read poetry at home. Good for you!! Wish you could make your move to the Charlotte area. Take care and enjoy your time with family and friends.
Comment by Laura (November 24, 2008 @ 1:12 pm )
Hi Cindy - I understand life is wonderfully busy for you right now! When you get a chance could you post a reading list for boys - what books are, say, in your top ten. I have followed your suggestions before and they have been big hits, i.e. Settlers of Catan! Have a blessed Thanksgiving - Terri
Comment by Terri (November 25, 2008 @ 2:27 pm )
Cindy,
This go round I am putting all my eggs in the Latin basket to unite both the poet and the technician. Now I just have to wait another 10 years see if the eggs make it to the real world. Have a great Thanksgiving -we will miss you all. Say hey to L. and the hubbies! Love, K
Comment by karen (November 25, 2008 @ 8:24 pm )
k, Ya coulda been here at least after a very long drive. We are so enjoying Hannah. She even cut onions up for me today while I only cut up celery.
Comment by Cindy (November 25, 2008 @ 9:51 pm )
I remember being so hungry for poetic knowledge in my growing up years, and not knowing where to look to feed myself.
My own kids don’t always fully appreciate or understand the emphasis I place on poetics in our homeschool. They’ve never had to hunger for it because it’s been a part of their lives from day one. But when they leave the nest and find out what a rare treasure it is, I believe they will be thankful.
This was an encouraging and affirming post. Thanks!
Comment by Poiema (November 27, 2008 @ 11:49 pm )
Re: silly woman status and genderanalyzer? Naw, it just means you deal with men/boys a lot….. and dont like to cook
Comment by Dana (November 28, 2008 @ 8:32 am )
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Cindy~ This is a fabulous post. And so true. I encourage all young hs moms to heed your advice. I tried to focus on poetic knowledge by using Charlotte Mason ideas and Norms & Nobility, but I could have done even better.
When my dd went to college she knew her grammar (mostly through Latin), but I didn’t help her as much as I maybe could have with structure (strong, clear thesis statements, etc.). But, you know what, she did the same as your sons - learned it in a semester and she has really excelled, mostly b/c she was filled, through her reading, with the wonder spoken of in Poetic Knowledge.
Thanks for another lovely.
Btw, are you still going to do the Blue Suede Shoes study? I got my book.
Comment by Gail (December 2, 2008 @ 9:58 pm )
Oh. I went back and re-read the post…it’s the *January* book club. Yeah, I’m a careful reader.
Looking forward to it.
The clip in the above post doesn’t appear to have come through. It’s the “It takes a lifetime to pick up poetic knowledge…” line. Like I said, so true.
Gail
Comment by Gail (December 3, 2008 @ 1:27 am )
And I have to say that even though I am your homeschooling mirror image (weak on poetic, but strong on grammar), sometimes you’d never know that there are things that they were taught many, many times and just don’t seem to remember. Nothing like having to know for a college class to help engage the mind a bit. Not that it should be that way, but maturity, time, and all that seem to have their effect that way. I’d hate to think (as some do) that all the education a person needs is gained before the age of 19.
Comment by Patti (December 3, 2008 @ 7:19 am )