Wed 1 Aug 2007
“As Christian home educators this shouldn’t be hard for us. We have as our base faith, hope and love. There is so much there that I think I will begin with that tomorrow”
Continuing where I left off yesterday, I was pondering these things all night. One other recurring theme of the retreat was the fact that these things are achieved through a linguistic education. This has always been where I have connected with classical education and also why I am a bit more comfortable with the term Liberal Arts.
In our society at this time education has one function. The function of education is purely monetary. I have said on this blog that I think that we have done a better job of preparing our boys for marriage rather than to get jobs. All of those thoughts converge on the point that a linguistic education prepares them for LIFE. This doesn’texclude their ability to get a job. On the other hand a modern utilitarian education does not prepare one for life, marriage or even old age.
Recently I have been reading books that include chapters dealing with elderly people in nursing homes. It occurred to me that when my older boys were little I frequently said that we were memorizing things in case they were ever in prison and the rats were eating their toes. Now it has come to me with even more force that I am preparing my children not only for marriage and jobs and perhaps prison but I am also preparing them for their elderly years when much of the slough of their life will be gone. I believe much of what we have done in our Morning Times will remain.
I am giving them the poetic knowledge that will be with them until they face eternity. I am not the Holy Spirit. I must prepare my children for a life well-lived and trust God to prepare their hearts for eternity.
When I am setting my priorities this has to come into play. So that in our home we will be heavy on the linguistics subjects and weak in the sciences. I don’t believe this will hinder the children from learning the sciences in college and I don’t believe it will hinder them in selecting careers. While there is serious social pressure on our young people to quantify their existence, at the same time they are judged by their articulateness and broadness of thought.
If classical education uses memorization in the early years in a utilitarian fashion, I think it misses the boat. That is preparing the child for more education rather than gifting them with a lifelong love of poetic knowledge.
That is why I still continue to believe that homeschooling is the best option. Classical schools by the nature of the beast are forced into utilitarian modes. Homeschoolers have much more liberality to pursue the liberal arts.
But it isn’t easy for us either. We are all victims of our culture. We are always being pulled away from the true, the good and the beautiful towards the utilitarian. After all we all want our children to provide for their families. It takes courage to trust that the slow path through the dark woods leads to the fruitful plain, but not only to the fruitful plain but beyond, beyond Parnassus even, to the city of God.
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Rich food for pondering; great post.
Comment by Barbara (August 1, 2007 @ 10:23 am )
Thank you Cindy, once again, for giving me another reason to continue memorizing and our Morning Time(besides the already stated rat-gnawing-toes scenario)…
You are the inspiration that started our MT almost a decade ago. Thank you…thank you… (((thank you))).
I recently re-read Poetic Knowledge and it has quickly become one of my favorite home educating resources. A hard read it is… but worth it.
I used to worry if I was doing enough, covering enough, or if some of the subject (as you mentioned) was being left out at their peril. An encouraging word came from Ruth Graham many, many years ago:
As an aside, I love attending CIRCE vicariously through you!
Shalom,
Carla Lynne
Comment by Carla Lynne (August 1, 2007 @ 10:28 am )
Hope you don’t mind my adding to the reading list a link to an article by Russell Kirk on this very topic.
http://www.memoriapress.com/articles/Russell-Kirk.html
Kirk is a favorite of mine.
Dana in GA
Comment by Dana (August 1, 2007 @ 10:56 am )
Carla,
I absolutely love Ruth Bell Graham and (therefore) LOVED the quote from her in your comment! It reached me where I am at this point in life. Thank you. (Just goes to show, you never know who you will bless with your words!) I have Ruth’s poetry books, but not the book you quoted from. Hmmm, wonder if I might find a copy somewhere?!
Comment by Linda (August 1, 2007 @ 12:50 pm )
I often find myself teetering on the fine line between “education for monetary reasons” and “education for life”, although I guess finances are a BIG part of life…
I’ve tended to lean toward a more laid-back, reading-tons-of-books, memorizing poetry, etc. approach until high school, at which point we started really stressing the math and science, but hopefully not to the exclusion of great books and much reading/discussion. My kids, for the most part, were always readers anyway, so I guess we’re blessed in that area.
Comment by Linda (August 1, 2007 @ 12:59 pm )
My 23 yo son and his wife lost a baby recently. He called me the day they returned home from the hospital, “Mom, I’m trying to find a scripture, I remember you taught us about this during Bible Time.” In his grief, in his sorrow, his heart went back to the dining table where we read God’s word together, talked about it, and prayed. This is why we home school.
Jody
Comment by Jody (August 1, 2007 @ 1:31 pm )
Jody,
I am so sorry about your grandbaby. But what a joy to know that you son’s first reaction is to turn to Scripture! May God comfort your family.
Comment by Linda (August 1, 2007 @ 1:49 pm )
Jody,
That is a sad but good story. Our children have to be prepared for things we wish they never had to face. My heart grieves for your son.
Comment by Cindy (August 1, 2007 @ 2:05 pm )
Cindy,
At the risk of sounding like a dumbo, can you define some words for me?
What do you mean by linguistics, liberal arts, and utilitarian?
I only have a ps background. It would help me if you spoke more plainly in your posts. (You know, dumb them down a little.)
Comment by Joanna (August 1, 2007 @ 2:46 pm )
By linguistics I mean language-based or maybe word-based, the study and use of words as a means of education.
When I use the term liberal arts I am using it in my own mind to distinguish what I am saying from what people term classical education. One reason I do that is that I think the term classical education is becoming muddled. I also use liberal arts as a way of emphasizing poetic knowledge over just the teaching of Latin, although I am still very much in favor of Latin as a linguistic and logical study.
Utilitarian is a term used to designate the idea that something is valued by its practical worth rather than its inherent worth. Utility is similar to efficiency.
Comment by Cindy (August 1, 2007 @ 3:39 pm )
So what is the difference between poetic knowledge memorization and utilitarian memorization? Does this mean they memorize poems to the exclusion of time lines? Does it mean they don’t learn Latin chants? Do they memorize more than Bible & catechism & poems? I agree those are where I’d focus, but I’m not sure I understand what you mean by utilitarian memorization.
My oldest is 4, but I’m a planner who prefers the theoretical to the day-to-day.
We’re still not consistent with our Morning Times now, yet I’m thinking about the content of our Morning Times in ten years. 
Comment by Mystie (August 1, 2007 @ 4:41 pm )
My personal opinion is that if you must err it is better to memorize poetry than, say, badly done songs of dates. Speeches, songs, hymns, story poems, and most especially passages of the Bible are all more valuable (imho) than newly made memory works. In other words you want them committing to memory things that have connections with the past or things that they will hear the rest of their lives. Does that make sense?
Latin chants are great because there is something poetic about them.
Some memory work contributes to poetic knowledge and making connections, like the names of the presidents or state capitals.
Comment by Cindy (August 1, 2007 @ 5:12 pm )
well said. and something for me to chew on. i don’t make my children memorize anything other than the bible. mainly because i’m lazy. i’m going to reconsider my laziness though.
Comment by chickadee (August 1, 2007 @ 8:54 pm )
*By linguistics I mean language-based or maybe word-based, the study and use of words as a means of education.*
If I my jump into the discussion here, this quote translates into *VOCABULARY*. The spelling, meaning, and derivation of *words* must be taught.
For example, if the word *justification* is never taught, then it is more difficult to explain the concept to the student or more complex for the student to grasp. In fact, it is *abuse* not to teach vocabulary because the student is *denied* the means of understanding the world around him (or knowing God).
Robert Hanna, a professor in the Education Dept at Hillsdale College, is where I was when I first heard this. He was quoting Pieper (Piefer) who wrote a book, The Abuse of Language The Abuse of Power, as well as many others.
Reading is a good way of learning vocabulary.
Thanks for letting me participate in your discussions, Cindy.
Dana in GA
Comment by Dana (August 2, 2007 @ 6:35 am )
Dana,
Is Josef Pieper the person who wrote the book about the abuse of language? (Guess I can Google it :-)).
That’s a good point about the importance of knowing the meaning of words (very clever to choose *that* word!). Many homeschoolers try to teach that with vocabulary lists and workbook-style exercises. Reading is a very good way to learn vocabulary, and talking about what they read, and making them write about what they read.
Cindy, you might like to pick up a copy of the latest issue of Chronicles Magazine, which features articles about the very things you have been contemplating, and some of them quote Pieper. I’ve seen that magazine at Barnes and Noble before.
Comment by Carmon (August 2, 2007 @ 10:15 am )
Yes, Pieper wrote Abuse of Language Abuse of Power in German!
My only concern about Pieper is that he is Catholic (a *Thomist*)…. please dont take me wrong here….
I like a lot of things that he proposes. I like a lot of what Russell Kirk proposed and he was Catholic as well.
Again, allow me to qualify my comment…read their stuff, just remember *what color lenses are in their glasses.*
Comment by Dana (August 2, 2007 @ 12:11 pm )
Okay, let’s see if I’ve got it straight.
Linguistics would probably be the reading of good books-is this right?
Utilitarian would be learning practical things, such as how to change a tire and cook a meal. Not just learning a bunch of facts in a schoolbook. Correct?
And liberal arts would be….hmm..I’m still not sure about this one. My son takes a latin class-should he also be memorizing poetry? I think I still need help on this one. Or all of them!
How did I do?
Comment by Joanna (August 2, 2007 @ 2:07 pm )
Dana,
You make a good point and one I have needed to make. One reason so many Catholics are saying things like this is that they had liberal arts educations long past the rest of us.
I have said before that I am not a Catholic nor do I lean towards Catholicism. I even get frustrated when Presbyterians act like they are Catholics
but I do agree that we can glean much from these men if we are careful.
Comment by Cindy (August 2, 2007 @ 4:28 pm )
Joanna,
I think those practical things you mention are wonderful things but they shouldn’t be confused with “education” and that is what modern schools do. They look at education in terms of the marketplace rather in terms of the human.
I am not quite satisfied with your example of utilitarian
I personally believe that memorizing poetry is extremely important. I would put it right behind Bible in my school…and I do.
Comment by Cindy (August 2, 2007 @ 4:31 pm )
Cindy,
Thanks so much for the thoughts. Your post got me thinking. My husband is a social worker who works with the elderly; he constantly sees people like those you wrote about who no longer have any significant recent memories. And you are right - what they remember is what they learned in childhood. How critically important it is that we give our kids a solid foundation of positive, worthwhile learning that will last their whole lives!
I linked to your post on my blog:
http://marcys-musings.blogspot.com/2007/08/value-of-true-education.html
Thanks again for bringing to the forefront the significance of the little things I have my kids memorize today.
Comment by Marcy Muser (August 3, 2007 @ 9:42 am )