Mon 9 Oct 2006
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” (Prov. 1:7)
I know you think I only read fluff. So now I am going to trip all over myself trying to describe my personal thoughts on Dr James Taylor’s Poetic knowledge. I brought this book home from the Circe Conference rarin’ to read. I loved listening to Dr James Taylor and had always been intrigued by the title of his book.
I also came primed to learn more about Descartes. Several times panel members at the Circe Conference spoke negatively about the effects of Descartes’ ideas on modern educational thought. I, on the other hand, had never given Descartes a second thought, possibly not even a first thought.
The first 3 chapters were a little rough. I liked what I was reading but I got bogged down and was anxious to get to the chapter Descartes and the Cartesian Legacy. I could just image myself blogging about the cartesian legacy. Maybe I could even throw the phrase “cartesian legacy” around at parties while talking to skinny women who don’t read. Well, I finally got to chapter 4 and I have to say I am only just beginning to understand some of these ideas…..maybe. Oh, well I am only 44.
“Basically, Descartes has isolated one mode of knowledge, of the four described earlier- that of mathematically certainty, or dialectic- and imposed it on all the others.” James Taylor
“John Dewey taught that schools are instruments of social change rather than of education, and that is one reason why Johnny neither reads nor writes nor dreams or thinks; but real schools are places of un-change, of the permanent things.” John Senior
Now for the good news. Chapter 6 & chapter 7 of my copy of Poetic Knowledge
are almost completely underlined. Dr Taylor describes in those chapters what I would be tempted to call the marriage of Wendell Berry to Charlotte Mason. If the truth be told, in this cartesian world, I am failing miserably to educate my children but in the world of poetic knowledge I am at least holding my foot in the door.
If you are an agrarian interested in education then you will certainly want to read Chapter 6 The Integrated Humanities Program . Of course, this is what Charlotte Mason was saying a 100 years ago. I know the words “Charlotte Mason” make some of you nervous and I understand why….I really do…but she really was a genius at bringing life to content. Somehow we have got to understand that education is lifelong. This is an especially important concept for the homeschool mom.
I am just like most other homeschooling moms that I know. One day I am blasting systems and programs and the next I am scrambling madly to join them. I am always trying to get up the courage to follow the way of wisdom while fending off the demons of practicalities. It is a precarious undertaking and all the while I am having to fight my own laziness and sin.
I hope to add a myriad of quotes from the last couple chapters to my quote box. In the meantime instead of trying to regurgitate the book I will whet your appetite with a few quotes:
“According to Herhoeven, what passes for general education today is actually a barrier to knowledge in the absence of the poetic element of wonder.”
“General education is….a substitute for knowledge among people for whom that knowledge is too dangerous and too demanding….it creates and preserves mediocrity. It does not demand that contact with things, the piercing of man’s self-righteous subjectivity which is precisily the beginning of knowledge….At best it displays mountain peaks, but saves one the trouble of climbing them.”
“Plato and Cicero, for example, were always read and commented on in the literary mode, never in terms of argument or debate. The atmosphere was intended to be meditative, not disputatious. Thus, the conversations replaced the modern sense of lecture and were closer to the medieval idea of lectio where teachers spontaneously delivered a commentary on some text.”
The above quote is one good reason a mom and a teacher should seek to be well-read and well-versed in Scripture. If our children are going to learn from our spontaneous outflow we must have something inflowing.
“Poetry is not an advanced thing; it is as Latin is, a first thing. It is a child’s thing.”
“When one has cultivated the habit of seeing in the poetic mode, science loses its privileged and usurped position in the nature and order of knowledge.”
I will end with a quote and a question. You can read more quotes in the sidebar if you are interested or you can buy the book and read the last 2 chapters or if you are really smart you can read the whole thing!
“…..the question is: Is such a life possible in a highly industrialized, technological society based on the idolatry of materialism?
That, friends, is the question.
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Just started reading Orthodoxy two weeks ago, and it’s been hard to find really quiet time to continue. However, this reminds me of the first bit in the book about the difference between the poet and the rationalist. Interesting post…I hope I can get around to reading this book in the next decade. And as we’ve discussed before, poetic knowledge (with an appreciation of God’s goodness and contentment in His sovereignty) prevents the child’s education from overwhelming him into despair.
Comment by Sandy (October 9, 2006 @ 11:55 am )
This is such a vast subject I wish, it is hard to get a handle on it. I do think Chesterton was saying much of the same things.
Comment by Cindy (October 9, 2006 @ 4:06 pm )
“I know you think I only read fluff.”
No way, never. I would never think that of you.
I’ve said it before…I wish I had been homeschooled by you.
Comment by Janet (October 9, 2006 @ 4:47 pm )
And I think I only do read fluff. After several intense years of reading only heavy-duty serious stuff, my brain went into rebellion.
Comment by Jeannine (October 9, 2006 @ 5:30 pm )
I know this was a more serious posting, but I am still laughing at this:
Thanks for the giggle!
Comment by Brandy (October 9, 2006 @ 7:00 pm )
Janet,
You are so kind-hearted!
Jeannine,
I think that is my problem also. I have to concentrate very hard now to read deep books. I also think that there is a certain satisfaction in actually accomplishing something like finishing a book. Much of my real life is unfinished business.
Brandy,
I am glad someone caught the humor!!
Comment by Cindy (October 9, 2006 @ 9:17 pm )
I read Norms & Nobility before I read Poetic Knowledge, so my brain was moderately prepared to deal with some of what Taylor is saying. But if you say “cartesian legacy” to me at a party, I may have to counter with “dialectical materialism” and then where will we be?
I think Poetic Knowledge is a wonderful book–mine also is heavily underlined and annotated. It never surprises me to learn that deeply serious classical educators resonate with Charlotte Mason–she was one of them. Few people have the time or desire to read all six of her thick books, though, and no abbreviated, filtered version can convey the depth of her knowledge about education.
Comment by Krakovianka/Karen (October 10, 2006 @ 2:15 am )
“…..the question is: Is such a life possible in a highly industrialized, technological society based on the idolatry of materialism?
I think it is….
Dana in GA
Comment by Dana (October 10, 2006 @ 4:48 am )
Great final question…is such a life possible? I am glad you read the book. Let me know. –K
Comment by karen (October 10, 2006 @ 6:28 am )
Sorry so late to comment. Is such a life possible? I like to think of such questions in percentage terms, for instance, of buying 70% of my food from farmers’ markets. If everyone did just this, think of what would change!
I think of my family life in a huge, fashion and career-obsessed city. Some people make fun of me for living a Luddite life, but I’m learning to just keep smiling and puttering along. Of course, I am quite aware that I am able to do this partly because of my husband’s citified job, but that part is his choice (and people make fun him at work just for homeschooling and not watching TV). The way I live day to day is mine.
Comment by Laura A (October 14, 2006 @ 6:54 am )
Laura,
I think you make some great points because most of us are wrestling with the fact that we enjoy the benefits of a lifestyle that isn’t all the good for us. There is always the tension between being a Luddite and acknowledging God’s actual provision in our lives.
There is also the whole area that you touched on of women not appreciating their husband’s hard work in the modern world. I think honoring the hard work of our men is the beginning of it all for women at home. Boy, that sounds archaic, doesn’t it?
Comment by Cindy (October 14, 2006 @ 7:41 am )
Greetings! Hopping over from Semicolon because I have Poetic Knowledge on my shelf. Unread. I just haven’t picked it up yet. I, too, loved listening to James Taylor. Hence, the book purchase.
So, when I read in your wonderful review “Chapter 6 & chapter 7 of my copy of Poetic Knowledge
are almost completely underlined. Dr Taylor describes in those chapters what I would be tempted to call the marriage of Wendell Berry to Charlotte Mason.”
Just the mention of Wendell Berry and Charlotte Mason in the same sentence, and the book is moving up on my to-read queue!
Thanks for such an encouraging review!
Janie
Comment by Janie (October 14, 2006 @ 11:38 am )
Just another Poetic Knowledge fan here — I found your blog because I had a bit of time to search the web, and see what might come up about him (Dr. Taylor) and his book. I read it about six years ago — don’t you just love the sound of that school-in-a-castle in France! Beauty REALLY does matter. Schools which look like prisons are not beautiful, and reading his book solidified my distaste for most public schools, simply because they’re so darned drab.
Comment by Amy (January 27, 2007 @ 7:16 pm )
Personally I know Dr. Taylor and he knows everything about poetry that I can think of asking him.
I am looking foward to reading his book soon.
Comment by laura (March 9, 2007 @ 2:38 pm )