Wed 11 Oct 2006
I guess you have seen the little Moms For Modesty button on my sidebar. I am definitely a mom for modesty. Modesty is one of the bees in my bonnet. When Emily grew out of 6x the troubles began. Her shoe size has also been a bit of a problem. She is a little girl with adult sized feet. She isn’t going to be short and round like her mother but tall and willowy like the Rollinseseses.
It has been a struggle. I mostly buy her clothes on Ebay because I can choose the labels I like: Laura Ashley, Hannah Andersson etc. The real problem though is that when we go to church we see lots of older girls being immodest. I do not like to be judgmental but it gets discouraging. I listened to some of the Mahaney’s talks on modesty and they suggest speaking lovingly to Christian girls and women who dress immodestly but I just can’t see that working. I am sure I would feel bad if someone spoke to me. I know the point isn’t whether or not I feel bad but these things are hard to get right. I guess I am becoming an old fuddy-duddy muttering in the pew, but where will it end?
The Mahaneys are speaking about Christian music this week. As a long time listener to Glad I love reading Bob Kauflin’s stuff.
The really confusing thing is that while I am discouraged over how the girls dress at church, some families are discouraged that our boys listen to country music. Well that is discouraging, isn’t it? How could good boys raised on Bach, Handel and Haydn like country music? I admit I do like an occasional country song. I sometimes even get teary over a country song. I can be brutally sardonic but sometimes country music breaks down the barriers.
How about this?
He said,”I just climbed out of a cottonwood tree”
I was runin’ from some honey bees
Drip dryin’ in the summer breeze
After jumpin’ into Calico creek
I was walkin’ down an old dirt road
Past a field of hay that had just been mowed
Man I wish you’d just left me alone
‘Cause I was almost home
Or this?
Dear Son, I know I ain’t written,
But sittin’ here tonight, alone in the kitchen, it occurs to me,
I might not have said, so I’ll say it now:
Son, you make me proud.I hold it up and show my buddies,
Like we ain’t scared and our boots ain’t muddy, but no one laughs,
‘Cause there ain’t nothing funny when a soldier cries.
An’ I just wipe me eyes.
I fold it up an’ put it in my shirt,
Pick up my gun an’ get back to work.
An’ it keeps me driving me on,
Waiting on letters from home.
Or this?
Remember when thirty seemed so old
Now lookn’ back it’s just a steppin’ stone
To where we are,
Where we’ve been
Said we’d do it all again
Remember when
Remember when we said when we turned gray
When the children grow up and move away
We won’t be sad, we’ll be glad
For all the life we’ve had
And we’ll remember when
The best thing about country music is that when it doesn’t make you cry it is a blast to make fun of.
I mean where else could you find Bin Laden rhymed with forgotten or hear Toby Keith say in an interview that his song, “I Love This Bar” could just as easily be, “I Love This Church.” You know the lyrics:
“lots of lookers
And I’ve even seen dancing girls and hookers”
Well, then again, maybe he’s right.
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I really appreciate your concern for modesty, as it’s one I share. However, you have hit on the exact thing that we have decided–everyone has their pet “thing.” We are probably more relaxed about the movies we watch, for instance, than some families who dress in ways we wouldn’t allow. We are just all at different spots on the journey, and we grow in different areas at different rates. Just another reminder not to compare ourselves among ourselves!
And you have my utmost sympathy about the clothes thing. I have, in desperation, begun sewing for my daughter, but at the rate I sew, that means she has very few clothes! Is buying on e-bay a reasonable way to go, costwise? I always figured that shipping would drive the price up too far. And how can you tell if things will fit?
Comment by homefire (October 11, 2006 @ 8:47 am )
Wow, that last bit had both me and Gracie sardonically laughing, a little moment of mother-daughter togetherness. Haven’t you been able to find anyone to put in that box in the sidebar, or do we have to ask first?
This one makes me tear up (by Montgomery Gentry):
That’s something to be proud of
That’s a life you can hang your hat on
You don’t need to make a million
Just be thankful to be workin’
If you’re doing what you’re able
And putting food there on the table
And providing for the family that you love
That’s something to be proud of.
Comment by Carmon (October 11, 2006 @ 9:34 am )
Well, you know I feel the same about this stuff, but when I’m tempted to worry about how much cleavage is showing at church or the length of the skirts, I remember that many Christians would take offense with the fact that daughter and I wear pants/jeans. And how tight is “too tight”? I hate to see people dressed in baggy clothes that give a sloppy appearance, but on the other hand, any kind of tailored (or form fitting knit) clothing shows off my woman’s figure, which on young ladies is usually quite attractive (not on old ladies like me).
I have a friend who got very upset with me this week because of a movie we are choosing to watch, and when I told my husband that they might never speak to us again, he said, “And this would be a problem?” This friend has watched movies that we wouldn’t watch or had to turn off only a few minutes into it.
Grace and humility are the keys here along with an understanding that people (including us) are in different places in our sanctification. In the meantime, you might just have to pass our blind folds so that your boys can attend church.
Comment by Amelia (October 11, 2006 @ 9:37 am )
meant to say “a” woman’s figure…not “my” woman’s figure
and then it was “out” blind folds and not “our”
are there any MORE errors?
Comment by Amelia (October 11, 2006 @ 9:41 am )
Maybe I don’t spend much time with poetry because old time song lyrics satisfy my hunger for poetic expression. I’ve heard that Appalachian speech strikes the modern ear as strange because it preserves a lot of Elizabethan words and figures of speech. Chris was always struck by this Carter Family verse:
Who ever says “inclines to rain?” Well, if you Google the expression “inclining to rain,” you will get about fifty matches, all from pre-20th century texts.
One of the songs Chris and I sing, “Otto Wood the Bandit”, captures a particular style of phrasing very well. I don’t know what to call it, but I know it when I hear it:
Now, that’s poetry! Seriously, the almost irrelevant lines about telling the story add to the mood, i.e. “I’m telling you a story here.” And the chorus is very powerful. I haven’t seen anyone not smile and want to sing along when we sing it; different words, different melody, different rhythmic pattern would probably fall flat.
I hope these are things worth thinking about, because I sure do spend a lot of time pondering them.
Comment by Rick Saenz (October 11, 2006 @ 9:46 am )
The whole subject of appalachian heritage and language is deeply fascinating. Last month’s Blue Ridge Country magazine had an article on a group of scattered people called the Melungians..or something like that. (Too lazy to go look)
I wonder if these questions can ever be fully understood.
I am entirely convinced that the isolated mountain peoples retained their heritage much longer than the melting pot and certain mountain towns to this day seem a bit apart. The main signs of modernity in mountain towns seems to be the tanning booth/movie rental store.
I purposely didn’t put bluegrass in the country music category because I think it is something entirely different and much worthier a thing.
Comment by Cindy (October 11, 2006 @ 10:17 am )
If you want to buy clothes that are more expensive retail then Ebay is a good option. For instance a Hannah Andersson outfit can set you back $75.00 retail but you can get Hannah outfits for around $25.00 including postage on Ebay if you are careful and choosy.
That isn’t cheap but the quality is good and you have saved $50.00.
I don’t buy the boys clothes on Ebay because I have more success at the local thrift store and Wal-Mart.
Comment by Cindy (October 11, 2006 @ 11:31 am )
My son will soon turn seventeen. He has told me many times that the guys in his “guy’s Bible study” are always complaining about the way girls dress today. They say it doesn’t help their hormones at all.
It just isn’t “the world”, either. I’m also sad when I see the way the Christian girls are dressing. I’d much rather they wear slacks than the low cut blouses and short skirts they think is appropriate today. (And I was a teenager in the day of mini skirts!)
Love your blog!
Comment by Brenda N (October 11, 2006 @ 6:34 pm )
I was talking to my husband about some of this and he made the point that if we watch a movie or listen to country music we don’t have to tell people who are offended by that but if we dress immodestly we are causing people to stumble without giving them any way of escape.
He made the point he read from Doug Wilson about a man portraying a drunk in a movie or a man acting out a gratuitous scene. To be the drunk the man doesn’t really drink and doesn’t really get drunk but to act out the lustful scene he is going to have a hard time not really lusting.
It isn’t just a matter of being judgmental or having different values.
Comment by Cindy (October 12, 2006 @ 7:34 am )
I can still remember my mother trying to find “little girl shoes” for my size 9 women’s feet in the 4th grade. In the days before the internet she stuck with brands she knew had more girlish shoes. I feel your pain. (I now wear a size 11 and still don’t like big girl shoes!!)
Comment by Athena (October 13, 2006 @ 5:57 pm )